Comments on: Château des Réaux art exhibition competition http://www.artistsuk.net/general-news-and-information/chateau-des-reaux-exhibition-competition.html where art has a loud voice Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:18:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Artists UK http://www.artistsuk.net/general-news-and-information/chateau-des-reaux-exhibition-competition.html#comment-85 Artists UK Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:28:59 +0000 http://www.artistsuk.net/blog/?p=39#comment-85 Actually, Jay, EVEN if you are up there with the greats it doesn't mean the money is rolling in. I could (but I won't!) name several famous artists who are not rich. I'm sure there are others who feel as you do and perhaps this is right for them but as you said, you don't have a family to support etc. Many artists do and need a better reimbursement for their artwork than this. However, we are pleased to see that Château des Réaux are doing what they said they would in terms of payment and that you are happy with what you have acheived through them. We wish you all the best with your 'marks on pieces of cloth'. Actually, Jay, EVEN if you are up there with the greats it doesn’t mean the money is rolling in. I could (but I won’t!) name several famous artists who are not rich. I’m sure there are others who feel as you do and perhaps this is right for them but as you said, you don’t have a family to support etc. Many artists do and need a better reimbursement for their artwork than this. However, we are pleased to see that Château des Réaux are doing what they said they would in terms of payment and that you are happy with what you have acheived through them. We wish you all the best with your ‘marks on pieces of cloth’.

]]> By: Jay http://www.artistsuk.net/general-news-and-information/chateau-des-reaux-exhibition-competition.html#comment-84 Jay Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:58:11 +0000 http://www.artistsuk.net/blog/?p=39#comment-84 I know we all have to make a living - surviving on a state pension isn't exactly plumpsious and, yes, I don't have a family to support but....guys, guys, get over yourselves. I'm always grateful for any sale, on the rule that 'every little helps, as the old girl said as she.....' Unless you're up there with 'the greats' then life as a painter is a struggle. You tot up your income in bits and drabs. What matters to me is that someone has liked the paintings enough to part with hard cash - and the £240 per painting buys a lot of groceries or canvasses. I might well have painted over them at some point. In the end they're only marks on a piece of cloth. I'm not precious about my art and if someone wanted to pass my work off as their own that would tell me something worthwhile. By the way, I signed both my paintings at the bottom and also indelibly on the back and also inserted a jpeg on the contract. I absolutely don't regret a thing. (Oh and by the way, Nadia is lovely) Cheers, Jay I know we all have to make a living - surviving on a state pension isn’t exactly plumpsious and, yes, I don’t have a family to support but….guys, guys, get over yourselves. I’m always grateful for any sale, on the rule that ‘every little helps, as the old girl said as she…..’ Unless you’re up there with ‘the greats’ then life as a painter is a struggle. You tot up your income in bits and drabs. What matters to me is that someone has liked the paintings enough to part with hard cash - and the £240 per painting buys a lot of groceries or canvasses. I might well have painted over them at some point. In the end they’re only marks on a piece of cloth. I’m not precious about my art and if someone wanted to pass my work off as their own that would tell me something worthwhile. By the way, I signed both my paintings at the bottom and also indelibly on the back and also inserted a jpeg on the contract.
I absolutely don’t regret a thing. (Oh and by the way, Nadia is lovely)
Cheers,
Jay

]]> By: Artists UK http://www.artistsuk.net/general-news-and-information/chateau-des-reaux-exhibition-competition.html#comment-79 Artists UK Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:32:12 +0000 http://www.artistsuk.net/blog/?p=39#comment-79 Thanks for your feedback Jay. Your point about signing your originals is well taken and good advice for anyone submitting a painting although once someone owns full rights there is nothing they cannot legally do with it - crop it to remove the signature for instance. Your point,"I painted them and now they’re out in the world. Isn’t that what we do it for?" is well-taken although artists do still have to eat and painting originals for 305 Euros each with no ongoing 2nd rights or other publishing income etc is a tough way to make a living. Thanks for your feedback Jay. Your point about signing your originals is well taken and good advice for anyone submitting a painting although once someone owns full rights there is nothing they cannot legally do with it - crop it to remove the signature for instance. Your point,”I painted them and now they’re out in the world. Isn’t that what we do it for?” is well-taken although artists do still have to eat and painting originals for 305 Euros each with no ongoing 2nd rights or other publishing income etc is a tough way to make a living.

]]> By: Jay http://www.artistsuk.net/general-news-and-information/chateau-des-reaux-exhibition-competition.html#comment-78 Jay Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:19:55 +0000 http://www.artistsuk.net/blog/?p=39#comment-78 Well, I guess I'm one of those sad, loser hobby artists who are desperate for money and will do anything to gain same. Actually, I'm not any of those things. Well, I'm a bit short of the readies but not desperate. I submitted via email a jpeg of one of my paintings to the chateau and received an enthusiastic acceptance a few days later. I asked if payment could be prompt especially for the carriage and I received an extremely courteous phone call from Nadia assuring me that payment would be very prompt. It was, both for the painting and the carriage. I submitted another jpeg and that was accepted too and paid for promptly. All right, the price isn't wonderful but there isn't a commission to pay, so that more or less doubles the price and there is no carriage to pay either. I took the whole thing on trust and it paid off. I have paintings on walls all over Europe but not as far as I know on the wall of a chateau - until now. If they are sold on? They bear my signature. I painted them and now they're out in the world. Isn't that what we do it for? Jay. Well, I guess I’m one of those sad, loser hobby artists who are desperate for money and will do anything to gain same. Actually, I’m not any of those things. Well, I’m a bit short of the readies but not desperate. I submitted via email a jpeg of one of my paintings to the chateau and received an enthusiastic acceptance a few days later. I asked if payment could be prompt especially for the carriage and I received an extremely courteous phone call from Nadia assuring me that payment would be very prompt. It was, both for the painting and the carriage. I submitted another jpeg and that was accepted too and paid for promptly. All right, the price isn’t wonderful but there isn’t a commission to pay, so that more or less doubles the price and there is no carriage to pay either. I took the whole thing on trust and it paid off. I have paintings on walls all over Europe but not as far as I know on the wall of a chateau - until now. If they are sold on? They bear my signature. I painted them and now they’re out in the world. Isn’t that what we do it for?
Jay.

]]> By: Artists UK http://www.artistsuk.net/general-news-and-information/chateau-des-reaux-exhibition-competition.html#comment-55 Artists UK Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:22:34 +0000 http://www.artistsuk.net/blog/?p=39#comment-55 Yes, the artist is signing over ALL rights to the artwork and it looks from the contract as if Chateaux Des Reaux can even display or sell it without even quoting the name of the creator of the painting. We're not quite sure on what basis Chateaux Des Reaux could sue the artist other than if the artist was breaching the Chateaux Des Reaux copyright afterwards by licencing the artwork for use elsewhere, which would of course be illegal after they have signed that contract with Chateaux Des Reaux. We'd be interested in the URL's of where amateurs are boasting of their sale to Chateaux Des Reaux. We'd have a look for them ourselves but right now we are up to our necks in both retail and trade orders and we always believe our customers come first :-) Yes, the artist is signing over ALL rights to the artwork and it looks from the contract as if Chateaux Des Reaux can even display or sell it without even quoting the name of the creator of the painting. We’re not quite sure on what basis Chateaux Des Reaux could sue the artist other than if the artist was breaching the Chateaux Des Reaux copyright afterwards by licencing the artwork for use elsewhere, which would of course be illegal after they have signed that contract with Chateaux Des Reaux. We’d be interested in the URL’s of where amateurs are boasting of their sale to Chateaux Des Reaux. We’d have a look for them ourselves but right now we are up to our necks in both retail and trade orders and we always believe our customers come first :-)

]]> By: Maler http://www.artistsuk.net/general-news-and-information/chateau-des-reaux-exhibition-competition.html#comment-54 Maler Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:55:16 +0000 http://www.artistsuk.net/blog/?p=39#comment-54 1. On the web there are already some amateur artist that are proudly stating that Charteau des Reaux had bought their paintings. 2. Also on a german forum some report that they sent their images via Email and all were accepted to the contest. As far as I understood some already were paid 305 Euros after sending their paintings. For me that is absolutely dodgy! That is not how the market works! I don't have the time but thought about it to fake a really bad image and see if they tell me to send it to them. I can think of 3 possibilities: 1. All people of the world have suddenly have become fond of each other and give away money. 2. The now owner of the castle had cheaply bought or rent the castle with the constraints to build up a gallery and now he is in need of a lot of artworks quickly. 3. This is a large-scale fraud and by attracted as much unsuspecting people as possible they are actually take everyones artwork and even pay them. Read the contract! The english and the german contract differ a bit. paragraph 2.2 is missing in the german contract! But doesn't it says that buy receiving the 305 Euros you have sold ALL the rights of ALL your artworks (not only the painting for the contest!). Paragraph 5.1 : "Piece of work" means any piece of work (paragraph 1.4) and agreed price means the 305 Euros for the contest painting. Not sure what they will do with that. Maybe they want to make money buy sueing you later. But maybe I am just too overcautious and there is nothing to it but at least I would not risk it for 305 Euros (beside no professional artist would do that for such little price, only amateur artist would consider this as a good price, so for me it is clear that they are aiming for that rather clueless folks. We will see.... 1. On the web there are already some amateur artist that are proudly stating that Charteau des Reaux had bought their paintings.
2. Also on a german forum some report that they sent their images via Email and all were accepted to the contest. As far as I understood some already were paid 305 Euros after sending their paintings.

For me that is absolutely dodgy! That is not how the market works! I don’t have the time but thought about it to fake a really bad image and see if they tell me to send it to them.

I can think of 3 possibilities:
1. All people of the world have suddenly have become fond of each other and give away money.

2. The now owner of the castle had cheaply bought or rent the castle with the constraints to build up a gallery and now he is in need of a lot of artworks quickly.

3. This is a large-scale fraud and by attracted as much unsuspecting people as possible they are actually take everyones artwork and even pay them.
Read the contract! The english and the german contract differ a bit. paragraph 2.2 is missing in the german contract!
But doesn’t it says that buy receiving the 305 Euros you have sold ALL the rights of ALL your artworks (not only the painting for the contest!). Paragraph 5.1 : “Piece of work” means any piece of work (paragraph 1.4) and agreed price means the 305 Euros for the contest painting. Not sure what they will do with that. Maybe they want to make money buy sueing you later.

But maybe I am just too overcautious and there is nothing to it but at least I would not risk it for 305 Euros (beside no professional artist would do that for such little price, only amateur artist would consider this as a good price, so for me it is clear that they are aiming for that rather clueless folks.

We will see….

]]> By: Artists UK http://www.artistsuk.net/general-news-and-information/chateau-des-reaux-exhibition-competition.html#comment-53 Artists UK Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:11:29 +0000 http://www.artistsuk.net/blog/?p=39#comment-53 How do you know that worthless paintings of unknown hobby artists have been paid for their paintings? If they are buying all paintings regardless of quality that is rather strange .... How do you know that worthless paintings of unknown hobby artists have been paid for their paintings? If they are buying all paintings regardless of quality that is rather strange ….

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